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[tibbar]

this has been debated before, and the conclusion reached was that while autohackers are somewhat lame, they are fairly rare out of the majority of topics posted, so there is no real need to crack down on it.

they can also be occasionally useful for testing your own network.

we also have a trojan section which is arguably more harmful than a batch file autohacker.

gso tries to give both sides of the story to security, which is what makes it unique imo.

what better way to defend against hackers, than to understand how they think and see the tools they use first hand.

that's my personal view on the matter.

[aelphaeis_mangarae]

I think auto-hackers should be allowed.

If script kiddies are not downloading there auto-hackers from here, they will be getting them from somewhere else.
The people that code the auto-hackers are probably going to publish them somewhere.

In reality I think what makes the internet secure is script kiddies, not hackers.

[Killaloop]

I was more talking about the fact that gso is a security forum.
with all the recent changes in administrating this board, I thought its only a good idea to disallow them.
you dont allow anyone to say they have hacked into other people systems, but at the same time, you allow them to post autohackers that only have this one purpose.
it only has this one reason, or do you think a network administrator, who administrates a hudge network, is not able to write the 2lines batch on his own.
the only purpose for them is to do illegal things and noone here can tell me something different.
well, say you disallow your kids to eat cookies.
would you at the same time send them out buying some?
when I was a teen and my mother send me out to by cigarettes for her, I always thought that this will lead to nothing good.
and see, I'm smoker nowadays.
stop posting of autohackers and compiled exploits(yeah I'm on a run) and we would have lost a bunch of the "got problem hacking this and that" questions.
you give them the goods, but dont want them to talk.

[ninar12]

when I was a teen and my mother send me out to by cigarettes for her, I always thought that this will lead to nothing good.
and see, I'm smoker nowadays.

^^heheh killerloop like the same here with my dad


for myself i never used autohackers (doesnt need them for myself)
also like these backdoored irc-bots (doesnt need them)(but forces me to code a own one )

yeah

If script kiddies are not downloading there auto-hackers from here, they will be getting them from somewhere else.

they should get it from somewhere else !!!

do u think it gonna be posted by www.frsirt.com muha never...

[belgther]

Killaloop is partially right, autohackers are nothing but some script-kiddie tools, but disallowing them doesn't lead to a loss of "problem with hacking" questions. As far as I see, lame requests which are made and get trashed don't have to do much with the autohackers posted here. Only a few people asked that they got problems getting some specific autohackers, which are also deleted/warned by the moderating team.
@ Tibbar: The trojan section is not so much security-related, it's more a matter of carelessness, but it also shows how they are developed, how they can be cleaned manually if the AV is not helping, or anything else to make our systems cleaner.

[usch]

they are fairly rare out of the majority of topics posted, so there is no real need to crack down on it.

but disallowing them doesn't lead to a loss of "problem with hacking" questions. As far as I see, lame requests which are made and get trashed don't have to do much with the autohackers posted here. Only a few people asked that they got problems getting some specific autohackers, which are also deleted/warned by the moderating team.

to the 1st quote by tibbar: in my opinion, it doesn't matter whether they are rarely posted or not. we also have a rule against extreme profanity although i haven't ever seen one single post, harming these rules.
rules should be for prevention and not for reaction.
it is clear that an autohacker isn't very welcome on this board.
so please just add a rule, not allowing to post them.
no autohacker posts is still better than only a few.

to the 2nd quote:i agree with you, that it isn't all problem's solution, but it is a step closer to restrict those really lame, nagging posts that can harm GSO's external reputation.


thank you very much for taking the time to read my opinion.
please think about it (@admins) !
you have seen many guys wanting autohackers to be disallowed.
just do it!

usch

[tibbar]

i understand your views about autohackers, i also dislike them but i wonder if we are opening a can of worms...

most of the tools posted are for one purpose only, hacking ppl or doing illegal things.

binders, packers, trojans, exploits, rootkits, how to beat AV guide etc etc they all have little "good" uses.

so do we ban them all and become yet another boring whitehat security board? or do we keep the many flavours going that makes gso unique?

[usch]

every mentioned things also have an interesting technical aspect. not have autohackers. you don't need to forbid them all, just autohackers !
usch

[beardednose]

I have to agree with tibbar that it isn't that big an issue. If it were only up to me, I'd ban the autohackers.

If any worms come out, we'll just stuff them back in the can.

[NEOMORPHEUS]

Well, really interesting thread, thank you for having open again, i'll try to apply all theses rules in order to improve my level and make part of the community.

I am new here, and I want to learn as much as possible. I will certainly adhere to the forum rules and hope to be advanced to full membership ASAP. Thanks for the thread, I now know what I can and cannot do.

[NEOMORPHEUS]

i understand your views about autohackers, i also dislike them but i wonder if we are opening a can of worms...

most of the tools posted are for one purpose only, hacking ppl or doing illegal things.

binders, packers, trojans, exploits, rootkits, how to beat AV guide etc etc they all have little "good" uses.

so do we ban them all and become yet another boring whitehat security board? or do we keep the many flavours going that makes gso unique?

Well, I came here to learn about packers, binders and rootkits, bypassing AV and so on........so I hope that you don't ban such threads here. Plus I have to say that knowing these things does not make a person go out and exploit someone elses computer, it is knoweledge, and knoweledge that I want to know.

By knowing these things, I can better understand how to protect my own computer..........if I don't understand the concepts of these things, how could I possibly protect myself.....by trusting someone to download me a file to protect my machine???? I don't think so!! That's how we get infected in the first place! I want to be able to write my own code and to be able to take care of myself.

I currently have a copy of BO2K installed and configured on my computer and have been experimenting with it via my extra laptop. I have been using the program to have remote access to my laptop and have been trying out the plugins...pretty amazing stuff! However, I am having trouble being able to send the program to my laptop because of the AV Program, thus, I am trying to learn about packers, and binders and rootkits. I did find an online email site that I can SEND the program with, but I have trouble receiving it on my laptop. I am hoping that I can learn the techniques to get past the AV here.

Once again, I am experimenting on my own computers.

[FiNaLBeTa]

i understand your views about autohackers, i also dislike them but i wonder if we are opening a can of worms...

most of the tools posted are for one purpose only, hacking ppl or doing illegal things.

binders, packers, trojans, exploits, rootkits, how to beat AV guide etc etc they all have little "good" uses.

so do we ban them all and become yet another boring whitehat security board? or do we keep the many flavours going that makes gso unique?

I have to agree. Knowing what is out there, knowing what is used and how, even by kiddies. Makes sure you know how to defend, and where to look when something does go wrong.

For that same reason I have no clue why there can't be any key logger threads on GSO anymore. They get closed now…
Bush The US made them illegal, so that means that they are no longer an issue to security of networks and users all over the world?

Even if I see auto hackers posted on GSO. Yes,You can have the threads closed, but will that stop anything? I rather see keyloggers/auto hackers as a wake-up call. People should see that they are out there, how easy they are to use.

Posts that have no other use then defeating the antivirus, are they bad? No, because I’ve seen the tools, had the chance of using them, I now know that antivirus products are rather useless, unless it is for stopping mass threads, any personal attack will not get caught. So the moment you have to trust your antivirus, you are going about it the wrong way.

Stopping those “lame or whatever” posts will not make any of us more aware of what is out there, What is being used right now. So unless you are doing it to boost up the image of the board, don’t do it.
In the end you have to wonder, do you want a flawless image, or do you want to inform the masses?

[Edu]

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Gaining knowledge is always valid, no matter what it is. What will matter is the way u use things u learn.
Reading and testing tools available is always good. Never forget your friend Google .
BO2K is a bit old application though. I would recommend u to test Ultra VNC . it is a very nice remote control tool. It is light and not detected as a 'virus'.

[luke-001]

Man, I am registered on another forum similar to this apart from their rules suck This forum has strict rules that I like - hopefully I will obey this rules And become member 1 day?

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