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Honeypots At Home? Do you use one?

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 03:06 PM

Just wondering if anybody used a Honeypot at home, and if so, would you be willing to post up your logs?

I'm considering setting one up now I've got a spare machine hanging around and am basically eager to hear how much traffic and suspicious activity people received whilst using one. :)
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Posted 23 August 2005 - 10:22 PM

I once had a HoneyPot, but its only fun for 3 days or so. Most things you have to watch for is that they dont put warez / porn on it.

Also it might take time to keep it up and running good (and going into detail of the "hacks").

But it all just depends for what you want to use it?
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Posted 24 August 2005 - 05:52 AM

Arphetic, on Aug 24 2005, 07:22 AM, said:

I once had a HoneyPot, but its only fun for 3 days or so. Most things you have to watch for is that they dont put warez / porn on it.

Also it might take time to keep it up and running good (and going into detail of the "hacks").

But it all just depends for what you want to use it?


The only reason I want to use a Honeypot is for experimentation: I'm currently trying to try my hand at all things whilst I've got the time, this is one of the things on my list :)

Also, as always, curiosity has a part, and I'm just interested to see the level of activity a Honeypot at home would attract :)
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Posted 25 August 2005 - 06:14 AM

i had one for a bit because my company paid for my business class road runner so i could do audits from home so i had the extra ip addys. it was a great resource for getting ahold of exploits i did'nt have and i would taylor what was running on the honeypot to match up with what OS was being attacked most on zone-h. it was so cool because i could use ethereal logs to recreate the exploits used on the box and if i got really lucky they would upload some sploits onto the box
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 01:14 AM

iam, on Aug 24 2005, 01:52 PM, said:

The only reason I want to use a Honeypot is for experimentation: I'm currently trying to try my hand at all things whilst I've got the time, this is one of the things on my list :)

Also, as always, curiosity has a part, and I'm just interested to see the level of activity a Honeypot at home would attract :)


Experimenting it for yourself is always good, just be aware for the stuff other people can put on it!
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 05:11 AM

i have a Wpa enabled access point. I use a machine directly connected to the AP, running Airmagnet (without ip address) and a Vmware machine xp running KfSensor.

So far I made a cool friend from a close building that actually cracked the easypassphrased Wpa and tried to brute force admin passwords on the honeypot.

Well his xp machine wasnt patched with the latest stuff, so we began chating through his notepad :)

Interesting ways to meet people, isnt it?
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 01:35 PM

Is there a way to like tcp "sniff" so you can see how they got in...all the rest will be cake.

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Posted 26 August 2005 - 01:36 PM

0X86F4, on Aug 26 2005, 01:11 PM, said:

i have a Wpa enabled access point. I use a machine directly connected to the AP, running Airmagnet (without ip address) and a Vmware machine xp running KfSensor.

So far I made a cool friend from a close building that actually cracked the easypassphrased Wpa and tried to brute force admin passwords on the honeypot.

Well his xp machine wasnt patched with the latest stuff, so we began chating through his notepad :)

Interesting ways to meet people, isnt it?

ive met some of my friends almost the same way :P
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 04:46 PM

When speaking of honeypots, I don't have alot of experience, however I'm to set one up myself soon to do some trial and error..
If you're on 10Mbit, why not use it all? ;)

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Posted 26 August 2005 - 10:51 PM

When working on honeypots, don't expect to uncover anything that was actually very secret or dont expect to find a 0day. Honeynet project wasnt even capable of getting a few ok results after so many years.

The reason: people are not stupid. if you catch someone in vmware or virtualpc or etc. , if he is stupid enough not to understand that he is inside the matrix, then the value of the information you get from him will be as worthless. So instead of satisfying yourself with 'hey look at the kiddie, he things he is hacking, but I am smarter" approach, you can decide to do something more useful. As mentioned before, you will only be able to catch some neighbour kids.

It is very simple to determine that the host is actually a virtual pc. You can look at the description of the devices. If you see some e.g vmware devices, means you are in.

or you can run Joanna's red pill:
int main () {
  unsigned char m[2+4], rpill[] = "\x0f\x01\x0d\x00\x00\x00\x00\xc3";
  *((unsigned*)&rpill[3]) = (unsigned)m;
  ((void(*)())&rpill)();

  printf ("idt base: %#x\n", *((unsigned*)&m[2]));
  if (m[5]>0xd0) printf ("Inside Matrix!\n", m[5]);
  else printf ("Not in Matrix.\n");
  return 0;
}

Note that this can give false positives after kernel 2.4.18

The problem lies beneath how you will sniff him. Will he be stupid enough to use nc after he gets inside the box, so that you can easily sniff? How about the ssh connection?

Let's say you put a keylogger for systemcalls, so you get ssh keylogs. Probably you'll be using sebek.

just by doing a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null which doesn't do anything normally, you'll notice that cpu gets around %100 and network traffic increases like hell. That means you are monitored. There are a lot of easier ways to detect,so if one becomes obsolete, you try the other one.

Just keep in mind...
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 03:31 AM

Thanks all for your replies, some good advice gratefully received :)

I've downloaded roo, but have yet to get round to installing it. Whilst I'm at this stage, are there any other good, purpose built Honeypot distro's I should take a look at?

Thanks again :)
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 06:11 AM

Roo is pretty okay. If you are interested in a bootable cd you can try the Hoacd from brazillian honeypot project. It is based on openbsd, I am actually more used to it than the fedora based Roo.

Putting the honeypot in place is not the important thing. What you ll do with the logs and information gained from that machine is the point. So, if you are not capable of analyzing it properly or if you dont have a proper scenario, I would recommend concentrating on other subjects. Time spent on anything is important.
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 07:16 AM

This site may be of interest to you Tracking Hackers
I would say look at KFSensor if your looking at running a windows honeypot. Also HoneyD has some good info. The honeynet project has some good info I think and theres a few books out regarding honeypots, as well as a bunch of whitepapers.

Hope that helps you out.
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