aelphaeis_mangarae, on Jul 8 2005, 01:59 AM, said:
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perhaps the UK government carried out today's attack to gain support for future military plans against terrorist harboring countries...say iran?
Damn right, we all should know who carried out 9/11.
Although this may be terrorists it seems to be that the government is covering up something so who knows.
They blame Al-Qaeda only hours after the attack?
Al-Qaeda use the Internet now to take responsibility?
I would of expected them to at least make a fake osama tape....although I am sure we will see the fat jamican with a turban soon ....wouldn't be suprised anyway.
You just have to look what happens as a result of this attack and who gains from it.
was any surprised that the terrorists were carrying valid id? if a terrorist were carrying id, it would be fake for certain.
how about how the police have managed to identify the 4 terrorists in a matter of days, or the fact that they apparently met together at kings cross wearing rucksacks, before going on their way...
again, terrorists would not meet up in public, it would risk compromising the mission. they would travel seperately to their respective destinations and only communicate perhaps by secure mobiles.
this all stinks of a setup. could it not be that the MI5 planted the evidence at the bomb blast scenes before the explosions?
i also find it unlikely that suicide bombers would settle with such a small casualty list. if i were going to die for the purpose of killing others, i would travel at about 8:30 on the popular tube lines. they went at 8:55 on very quiet routes, hence not many died.
one the main tube lines at peak time, there are about 2000 people on a train.
this was very convenient for blair and bush, since the G8 summit was forgotten in the public eye. hence no need to sort out trade for the third world, no need to do anything about global warming.
also a positive sideeffect for them was it puts war back on the list of things to do (once we find the terrorists were funded by iran), and it increases public support for their past actions, and the introduction of UK ID Card and new anti-terror (read anti liberty rights) laws...
finally, did anyone see the speech by blair after the bombs? he looked in a terrible anxious state, far more disturbed than you would expect for a minor attack. we have had more deaths in rail accidents than this attack. to me, he almost looked like his conscience was eating away at him, it wasnt the fear making him shake, it was the guilt at what he done and the realisation of what he has become.
p.s. anyone else think it was MI5 who killed Dr Kelly, not suicide?
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The terrorist were likely israelis with british papers, but they were NOT the ones they found on the bus. There were NO suicide bombers. It was all done with time bombs.
First of all, there were no workign cameras on the buses, and second of all this is just another attempt to blame arabs. i read one of the sites and its saying 3 of the british nationals were pakistani. THis is just utter bullshit again, i bet they just said hey there was a muslim standing near the bomb and he got killed, he must've been a suicide bomber. BULLSHIT. Thehy couldn't blame al-qaeda so their desperate to blame anything muslim. http://www.prisonpla...ntquestions.htm
there are some good questions on the london attacks.
I am a christian and for all you christians and other religions that keep thinking muslims are international terrorist, i feel sorry for you. You have once again let your leaders trick you into fighting your brothers. After all the muslim religion is the closest to christianity.
What i do see is not terrorist. Take a look at palestine for example. These people are trying to (filtered) survive. Watch a few documentaries and you'll see the truth. Or even better go live in palestine for a few years. If you come back alive tell your story. So many children shot dead, walking home, while in school, while playing outside. Even american and british people get killed in Palestine. I dont see a difference between a soldier emptying his clips into a child and his moms and a desperate (filtered) strapped to a bomb. Jihad is a struggle and it will continue, god bless the muslims fighting opressoin all over the world. In modern times i have never seen a muslim country trying to take over other countries. They are the ones always being invaded, they have a right to protect themselves. We wouldn't like it if canada came down and tried to annex everything up to Washington D.C.
The bombs used in Thursday's terrorist attacks were of "military origin" , according to a senior French policeman sent to London to help in what has become the biggest criminal investigation in British history.
Christophe Chaboud, head of the French Anti-Terrorism Co-ordination Unit, told Le Monde newspaper that the explosives used in the bombings were of " military origin", which he described as "very worrying". " We're more used to cells making home-made explosives with chemicals," he said. "How did they get them?
the easiest thing out of any flaw or bottleneck the govt comesup with is creating this LIVE scene and claiming muslims to have performed this and they always make people forget the ongoing issues..... but its more than enough this time and something has to be done about it. some of the 4 guys they took into custody were very very young and woah this time they get pakitani bombers i mean LOOOOL <FILTERED> what the heck are they trying to prove?
tibbar and ssj4conejo are right there....... a muslim dude who would have been injured by the blast would have been spotlighted as a terrorist on scene lol...
PS: all these facts comeup only after poor planning by governments
Luckily though.. otherwise there would be more people believing in it..
and I don't want to get blamed for these kinda games from the government
we already had some kinda similar problems like it in the netherlands..
There are enough dutch members.. they should be able to confirm it..
Luckily though.. otherwise there would be more people believing in it..
and I don't want to get blamed for these kinda games from the government
we already had some kinda similar problems like it in the netherlands..
There are enough dutch members.. they should be able to confirm it..
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- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
According to an Israeli website, IsraelNN.com, Scotland Yard had received intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time before they occurred.
The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, the Liverpool Street underground station, where he was to address an economic summit.
The warning contradicts the fact that the original explanation of a power surge caused the power to go out for an hour or more. It was known it was an attack, yet a false explanation was put out at first. Furthermore, why was Netanyahu warned about the attack but not the victims?
But the mainstream media is now changing its story and choosing to claim that there was no warning.
Comparisons were immediately made by the mainstream media between the London and Madrid bombings, but later on, it was reported that they were linked to the Spanish Security service.
The suspects then mysteriously killed themselves as this information began to seep out.
It was become apparent that Spanish government was using the bombings for its own gains and many went to the streets in Spain to declare they knew that their own government was behind the attacks.
This shows, as some analysts suggest, that London bombings were either an MI5, CIA, or Mossad operation.
The reason becomes more obvious when the following is put into consideration.
On July 4th, Britain made the announcement that they would be pulling their troops out of Iraq over the next 18 months, but now, they have a reason to stay in Iraq, how convenient for Tony Blair and George W. Bush. Also this will help the British and U.S. Governments to Institute National ID card Programs, while tightening up "security" at all bus and train depots, like they got with the airline industry after 9/11. More searching without probable cause, more detainment of "suspects".
Then there is also the increased level of fear amongst the general populace this will generate as they pound it into the average Americans and Britons head over and over again.
Fear is an effective tool when one wants to scare many into submitting to things they would otherwise not accept. For example, after 9/11, the fear of 'terrorism" was used to pass the unconstitutional U.S. Patriot Act, which has since been proven to increase control over the people of the U.S. by severely impeding or completely nullifying most of the Bill of Rights, while at the same time doing very little, if anything, to prevent future attacks.
Britain has bombed itself before and blamed it on the IRA while the U.S. planned to attack itself in 1962 with Operation Northwoods. Israel has it's Lavon Affair. Hitler burnt the Reichstag Government building and blamed it on "terrorists". Nero burnt Rome, and essentially did the same, blamed "terrorists".
What makes this any different? They declare a "War on Terror" and now there is more "terror attacks" in the world than in 2001.
With all this talk of terrorism by the U.S. and UK governments, do you think they'd really miss-intelligence on a train bombing plot? And if they really did, shouldnt the American and British people demand answers seeing that all of their tax money spent on increasing anti-terrorism precautions where useless, being as they didn't even come close to stopping the London explosions?
Ok, first off I must say it was a tragic event that took place. Regardless of your religious beliefs you should take a few moments out of your schedule to say a brief prayer on for them, and their loved ones who must now suffer their loss or friend, mother, father, brother, sister, lover, friend.
Secondly I am deeply surprised as well as astonished to see some of the comments taking place. I would digest that most of these are based off of emotions and here say knowledge than actual facts.
I've always looked at GSO as having smart-intelligent- computer savvy members. I'm just surprised that the amount of information people base their opinions or postings off of are so limited in resources. That it seems like emotions are the way to voice ones self than the common sense of looking at ALL information both good and bad before forming an opinion that is not clouded by emotion but based off of documented facts.
Remember There has been no greater conflict in the history of mankind then that of the differences of religion.
A super smart highly intelligent man once said.
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil. But because of those who look on and do nothing.
I would digest that most of these are based off of emotions and here say knowledge than actual facts.
No everything we have discussed is 100 % the truth, we have provided links as well to "mainstream" media.
I think you just have that feeling deep down that you know something is wrong but your too afraid to admit it.
I have no speculated anything.
I do not want to turn this thread into a heated debate, I am just stating my opinion.
Think for a moment, if they admit (They have admitted...but I can't be bothered finding a source) that they knew minutes before the attack happened, why did the first news report say it was a power surge...was it a power surge? If so was it to knock out the security cameras?
Is is a coincidence that all the camera's on the buses were NOT working, all 3 of them!
The guy that maintained the camera's said it's total bullshit, and something suspicious happened.
For those of you who don't know also...that Egyptian Chemist or what ever was cleared, they found NO link to Al-CIAduh, I repeat NO LINK.
I do not want to turn this thread into a heated debate, I am just stating my opinion.
Hey aelphaeis_mangarae I see no heated debate coming around. In fact I appreciate you voicing your comments. So long as everyone keeps a level head, alot of ideas and opinions can be relayed without having to lock the thread.
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and a new reason for g.w.bush to start a war -.-
maybe terrorist are in iran this time or another country bush dont like ?
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That is obviously not al-qaeda, its another Israeli Mossad false flag operation. Even the editor at MSNBC, admitted that it coudnt' have been al-qaeda.
as well as a few other postings in this thread.
This would lead then to
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No everything we have discussed is 100 % the truth, we have provided links as well to "mainstream" media.
Having personnaly dealt with the media on several occassions I can speak from personal experience that they will manipulate what is told so long as it serves the better purpose of increasing viewers as well as magazine sales. This is my opnion from my own personal experiences with them.
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There is nothing to misunderstand about it mate.. the special thing about the Quran is that it isn't changed in time.
I would tend to agree with this as I am not a reader of the Koran I have on occassions come across a few of them. I have also had the good fortune to speak to various Middle Eastern families from different sects of the Islamic faith. Such as Sunni's, Druze, and yes even Shi'ites.
What I learned was that each is passionate about their beliefs, and because of those beliefs and willingness to adhere to the teachings I don't see the majority of them as overly violent or as the press puts it fanatical.
What I have come to understand is that there are a few individuals just as in any religion that take the teachings and manipulate the words to suit their cause.
Now I believe if I am not mistaken that several of the Islamic Scholars in England issued a fatwa condeming the bombing.
This is turn would be the 2nd fatwa against these acts as the first was done in Spain
When you have Mullah's and Imam's declaring these acts as violations of the teachings of Islam what other recourse does one have but to then look at the handfull of individuals as murderers.
As for the false flag operation. Everyone knows the Mossad is considered to be one of the most effective intelligence entities in the world. For them to post an advance warning should come to no surprise to anyone. A similar situation took place during the WTC incident.
I'll keep this short as I don't wont to post a book :D
What is quite amazing about all this, is because of this John Howard is making Australian ID cards.
And it looks like George Bush is using this as an excuse to renew the Patriot Act!
When you look who gains from this it is clear, considering some of the aspects of this attack are suspicious....you get what I am trying to say.
It is public knowledge that the Apartment bombings in Russia of 2000/1999 were done by FSB agents, they were arrested doing it.
Then when the media reported it (In Russia) Vladimir Putin had two of the largest media companies in Russia shutdown!
Government Terrorism is nothing new...and I mean Government Terorism works, and always has.
Asked whether he thought the blasts might be related to Islam, he replied, "What Islam? This terrorism has nothing to do with any religion, because all religions do not allow aggression and do not allow killing civilians in innocence. Those don't belong to Muslims. They are a gang of criminals."
Thing is that uneducated people are chosen for terror activities. Of course the terrorism has nothing to do with Islam, or any other religion, but uneducated people can be fooled that way that these things ARE for Islam, or for any other faith. Leaders of these groups are just some people who are filled with revenge, anger, and hate, and know very well that they can't do anything alone, so they seek some help from uneducated people, using the "same exploit" on all people, affected ones follow them, and kill for them, die for them, and so on.
BTW, i heard of another rumor that these terrorist leaders are trained by governments like USA, UK, and other powerful countries. Is it true? Well, if yes, then it will be a Frankenstein situation :)
"The wisest one is the one who knows himself/herself." Quote of the life
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BTW, i heard of another rumor that these terrorist leaders are trained by governments like USA, UK, and other powerful countries. Is it true? Well, if yes, then it will be a Frankenstein situation :)
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