I tend to think this is true. I know that the more I "hack" (and I use that term rather loosely), the more I'm tempted. Maybe since I haven't committed any crimes means I'm "in the mainstream" like the article says. The majority of hackers that I know SAY they have committed crimes. That may be bragging, but I doubt it. I've seen some of the results.
i used to "hack" until one of my good friends on the net got caught
cops came took his pc and he went to jail
never heard of him since :/
that kinda told me to be more careful
apparently he screwed with the wrongs guys computer :(
so to all the hackers out there : make sure there are no traces that can prove that you are here
so from that day on i havent done any of that stuff
It's all about choice. Hacking requires knowing a system inside out and being able to think out of the box. That knowledge can be used for both good and evil.
So, I believe given the right/wrong environment the person is exposed to, it can lead to crime or not.
Its like anything though isnt it BN, high speed chases are an adrenaline rush but a normal well balanced person doesnt steal cars, albeit some people do.
as many of you know, i am very interested in security related programming... now which of the following projects is illegal:
a. trojan / rat (open source);
n. trojan / rat (closed source);
c. spreading ircbot / worm;
d. virus;
e. rootkit (open source);
f. rootkit (closed source);
I feel that c, d are definitely against the law (we have seen people arrested for these in the past).
What about a? I think a trojan author is risking breaking the law... What about open source trojan...perhaps less likely to be arrested, since it can be viewed less as a hacking tool.
I personally have interests in e,f. I noticed hxdef's site are now selling custom undetected rootkits, to me this is bordering on illegal.
But if i write a new rootkit, and let the world have the source code am I now committing a crime? I imagine if it got too widely used then perhaps yes...
so does "hacking" lead to crime...depends on your intepretation of the law.
If you want to read more about my security research, visit Tibbar.org
well yes and no...
it is your choice you decide which side of the line you stand and i am not talking law i am talking about law i am talking about morals basic right and wrong...bcuz yes you would probably break alot of dumb laws but as for federal we all have the knowledge of right and wrong and we can hack ourselves if we want to but we all know that rush that comes from from doing it out side of the box :) . Some people know this rush a little to well and I believe either they will get caught soon or will get to good for their own good. It really doesnt matter how good you are bcuz you will get into the rush and leave a foot print or two just becareful if the darkside is your path. Hacking is a way of thinking...really i believe if you can can do it and are good at it(Not talking about skiddie) it is a gift. Yes many people can do it but i still believe once you reach a certain point it is a gift. So if you have this knowledge you can choose how to use it... and we all know how many use it ;) yes but doesnt mean all do.
for example...you can smoke pot but its your choice if you want to get higher and go for the big drugs. does that make since?
"As a young boy, I was taught in high school that hacking was cool." -Kevin Mitnick
"It's easy to point and click programs, but thats not real hacking." -illwill
Mainly, because I dont really realise im committing a crime. Often because it is so easy. I dont consider exploring a crime, if i can download some documents just to have a look, and their permissions allowed me to, i really dont consider that a crime, it was their fault for not putting up better security, but im not going to sell the info etc.
However, what many legal-practictionists may consider what im doing is a crime.
(but was it a crime the country the actuall attack came from ? :P)
it's a relative thing. If the owners of the attacked computer complain, then it is a crime. But if they think it's OK, then it's not. There are even people who see using Lynx as a crime, even though it doesn't do more than text-based browsing.
But people who use their hacking skills for good purposes don't commit crimes, i mean white-hat hackers here. And to train such people, there are free hacking challenges where they can satisfy their lust of hacking.
"The wisest one is the one who knows himself/herself." Quote of the life
belgther... aka... belgther
I believe that by law it is a crime, even if you are a white hat.
It's all about knowledge and practice, and you need practice to gain knowledge.
first you try your own boxes, but then you'll want to know if it really works on others as well. from the moment you try, you're breaking the law (unfortunatly). I think most people on GSO have the best intentions to help the community. And I think it really s*cks that in this case it isn't legal to help people... What kind of laws are that ??
Ali,
You are right, but it's not always how it seems... There are still many vendors who like to hear about their security flaws in their website and software, but hackers doing that do it anonymously, because they don't know how the vendor will react. It's also legal to help people. But doing it anonymously is the best way. I am 200% sure that most GSO users informed some vendors about their security flaws, but did that anonymously.
"The wisest one is the one who knows himself/herself." Quote of the life
belgther... aka... belgther
Sign In
Register
Help
MultiQuote
